tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919556824856527344.post46718733599278947..comments2023-07-29T05:02:27.424-07:00Comments on Glimpses Through The Mist: The sweet deal between Big Pharma and Big TobaccoKristin Noll-Marshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15805939875041788133noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919556824856527344.post-37230663853595678702016-01-23T06:25:18.949-08:002016-01-23T06:25:18.949-08:00Here is a fine little interview with the former CE...Here is a fine little interview with the former CEO of Pfizer, showing how Big Pharma companies make guys like Glantz and Martin McKee beholden to them:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrCizlAOBAo Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115971330333201180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919556824856527344.post-10686509242195197752016-01-23T06:09:00.905-08:002016-01-23T06:09:00.905-08:00"With hardly anyone buying NRTs and 50% less ..."With hardly anyone buying NRTs and 50% less people getting sick and dying, the situation will be catastrophic for pharma. No wonder they are doing everything possible to stop e-cigs."<br /><br />This is a flawed claim that many vapers have put forward. However it is based on hope - there is no evidence that smoking cessation, even at huge rates will significantly reduce disease or death. You may find that strange, but that is what 40 years of costly human experiments have shown - the random controlled trials. <br /><br />Showing that smoking causes disease in epidemiologic studies is much, much easier than showing that smoking cessation leads to less disease in random trials. In fact is has been impossible:<br /><br />https://cfrankdavis.wordpress.com/2014/10/24/lifestyle-improvements-dont-work/ Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115971330333201180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919556824856527344.post-52731625238699587432014-02-25T17:12:16.345-08:002014-02-25T17:12:16.345-08:00I found this interesting read a few days ago - a d...I found this interesting read a few days ago - a damning report on pharma; their power, influence and filthy tricks. http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/brotherhoodpart9.shtml I knew they enabled each other but I wasn't aware either about pharma supplying cigarette filters. On top of their joint lobbying against ecigs, Big T <br />pushing for med regs for their ecigs, aided by pharma, would guarantee them ousting the original small vendors selling superior 2nd & 3rd generation devices, giving them the monopoly, with a low nic level to appease pharma and allow them to compete against a product that we don't want. I know of one pharma ecig <br />venture but I strongly suspect more are to follow. They have to diversify; NRT as we know it is dead in the water. Therefore the smoke quit cycle would continue unimpeded by the current threat that's seriously shaken up their little club. I also very much doubt that governments are willing to lose billions in tobacco taxes every year either, which is why they'll happily roll over and sell vapers, smokers and hundreds of businesses down the river, despite the efforts of a few more honest and supportive ministers. Vapers will go to court if necessary but we really shouldn't have to, when 6 courts have set a precedent and our opponents would be using our own tax payments against us. It would be a criminal waste. <br /><br />They don't give a damn about health and the fact that pharma and health departments fund people like Glantz and McKee, for instance, is the reason they've all been willing to make utter fools of themselves over ecigs; their strings are being pulled. No coincidence that Glaxo and McKee both had articles out, a day apart, berating ecigs when Glaxo donated £255,000 to McKee's LSHTM last year https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/funding_from_gsk and NIHR and DofH gave £10 million last autumn. http://blogs.lshtm.ac.uk/news/2014/01/17/over-10m-in-grants-awarded-for-health-protection-research/ All the public health people trot out exactly the same word for word propaganda, all of which has been debunked; they're all quoting from the same lying pharma script. It's stinking corruption at huge expense to the public's health, purposeful sabotage of perfectly legal and safe products, businesses and jobs. I'm so utterly furiously, livid, I don't know how to voice it in polite terms, but you can guess the gist.Lollylulubeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14589697497789503657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919556824856527344.post-91345402139863320532013-03-16T01:00:30.231-07:002013-03-16T01:00:30.231-07:00I found this page when I had an "ah-ha" ...I found this page when I had an "ah-ha" moment that I had never considered, followed by a search to see if anyone else has questioned this... To me, it's just fact that Big Tobacco and Big Pharma. are making ALL of their major decisions based on the dollar bill$ with zero interest in humanity. Western medicine is NOT concerned with health, but with what products will make the most money, asking questions at board meetings like, "How can we keep them coming back after taking [insert medicine] to relieve [insert symptom (notice not insert illness)]?" when they should be asking, "How can we heal [insert illness]?" My moment of realization occurred when I realized that Tobacco was a medicine for thousands of years before illuminati got their hands into it... go read about it's history and all the healing properties... Nobody can convince me that the ancients were wrong and the global elite are telling the truth. Smoking any herb pumped full of chemicals will cause diseases. Think American Spirits might be good for you then? Nope... Research who owns that company - It's not a tribe - and then check into what goes into the paper they roll with... <br />I'm going to order some Native style blended tobacco and check that shit out, because I'm not gonna let their programming scare me into giving up something I enjoy out of fear of an illusion. Namaste all... Keep going down the rabbit hole... You must explore wonderland before you can get home to Dila. Ashleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919556824856527344.post-33450942758969374522012-02-29T02:39:47.607-08:002012-02-29T02:39:47.607-08:00Interesting point on the symbiotic relationship be...Interesting point on the symbiotic relationship between drug and tobacco firms.. Hopefully e-cigarettes will be given a fair chance. Politics shouldn't get in the way of the e-cigarette's potential to save smokers' lives.Johnhttp://www.janty.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919556824856527344.post-40783975746232446192012-02-27T10:35:16.627-08:002012-02-27T10:35:16.627-08:00This is true unfortunately.This is true unfortunately.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919556824856527344.post-77400532393181875492012-02-26T15:11:55.221-08:002012-02-26T15:11:55.221-08:00Great read - I didn't realise that GSK was inv...Great read - I didn't realise that GSK was involved in the manufacture of cigarette filters! The combination makes a lot of sense - I wonder how aware the big-pharm funded anti smokers are of the symbiosis.Jameshttp://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/ashtray-blog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919556824856527344.post-38977787081395783052012-02-26T13:19:50.307-08:002012-02-26T13:19:50.307-08:00I just stopped Tobacco use the same day I bought a...I just stopped Tobacco use the same day I bought an E-Cigatette, the Tobacco missed the boat.Yhey could have done the very same thing thirty years or more ago.Technology was there. So I am enjoying being able to watch them die a slow death instead of me.Many people died a slow agonizing death because of them,this is sweet revenge. I hope the corporate level ends up in a soup line.When I pass them in the street I spit at their shoes and laugh.Goodbye you bastards.Your time has come to die into history.I get to watch instead of dieing as I was because of your greed. Good Freaking bye parasites...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919556824856527344.post-13192681873777514112012-02-26T13:16:25.942-08:002012-02-26T13:16:25.942-08:00Very good additional points, Chris!Very good additional points, Chris!Kristin Noll-Marshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15805939875041788133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8919556824856527344.post-21717496297585482982012-02-26T13:11:39.726-08:002012-02-26T13:11:39.726-08:00Pharma depends on cigarette sales because without ...Pharma depends on cigarette sales because without them, there would be no cash cow. <br /><br />NRT sales are said to be a billion-dollar global market. However, sales of chemotherapy drugs, COPD drugs, cardiac disease drugs, vascular drugs, and similar therapies for sick smokers are probably at least ten times the scale of the NRT market.<br /><br />It is probably safe to say that the pharmaceutical industry will lose $5 billion just in the US when e-cigarettes are widely used. With hardly anyone buying NRTs and 50% less people getting sick and dying, the situation will be catastrophic for pharma. No wonder they are doing everything possible to stop e-cigs.Rolygatehttp://www.eccauk.orgnoreply@blogger.com